Radio Geo’s Media Blog (Radio Secrets I learned Along the Way) New 7/07/24

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When I moved from Canada for a new career in the US,  I came bearing secrets.
After ten years of working with the diary method of harvesting ratings, I was very hip to its bias.

(b) While at CFTR in Toronto, I stumbled on a way to attract adult women to the radio using hit records. (It was later called AC)
(c) In Indianapolis, @ WIBC/WNAP, with the help of Jack McCoy, I discovered surge hours.

What are surge hours, you may ask?
Surge hours are those four special hours when 85% of the listeners in any given market are listening to the radio. You win those hours, and you win the whole day.
The first time I put the surge hour concept on the air was at WIBC AM in Indianapolis.
Next, we created “appointment tune-in” using a contest called “The Magic Ticket.” (We only played the contest four times a day and heavily promoted those times.)

When the new rating book came out, we went from a 13.1 to a 19.4, 12+, in an FM world.
Wow, color me a believer, and of course, we immediately put the concept on in Dallas at KVIL. 

Later, when I began consulting, I met a potential client named Gordon Zlot at a radio convention. (By then, I had gotten the hours down to half hours.).
Gordon, who was the owner of KZST in Sonoma County, wanted to know how I thought I could help him.

I responded, “If you bring me your rating book, I’ll give you a free sample of my work. 
The next day, when I gave him the four times he needed to win in order to be #1, he said, “How can that possibly be true?”

“Gordon,” I said, that’s when 85% of the people who listen to the radio in your market are listening. Gordon, being skeptical, took my surge hour concept to Arbitron and got them to do a special run for him.

The next time I saw him, he said, “Hey George, Arbitron claims you’re wrong; they say it’s 87%, not 85.
(Gordon and I ended up working together for over thirty years.)

COMMENTS

John Keogh: Great read, George. Radio never did adjust to new challenges; we all know that, but here are my 5 it should have met … and never did. 1)  Solve the disconnect between the advertiser and the service provider (station). 2)  Reduce commercial load while increasing revenue.  3) Eliminate tune-out points to extend Time Spent Listening.  4)  Respond to the ever-increasing need for better signal quality.  5)  Revive its lost ability to create talk. (An Ephinay)
Geo: Well said, John. It’s also nice to hear from the folks in the Motherland.

John King: George, you’ve shared an amazing and outstanding curriculum vitae. I am honored to have been along for a small part of the ride; it was uniquely rewarding. (About George Johns)
Geo: Thanks for being on board, John.

“Doug Thompson: George, I can’t sing, and I certainly can’t draw…so I guess I’m in BIG trouble. (To play or not to play)
Geo: What you are, Dougie, is brilliantly creative, which in its own way makes you gifted. However, you weren’t born with it; you learned it.

Marc LaFrance: Always enjoy your blog. Love hearing about the Winnipeg music scene back in the day and all the places you have worked due to the various positions you have held during your radio career. Keep on Rockn’ (To Play or Not to Play).
Geo: I’ve had a great life, Marc, but I’m kinda envious of yours; you’re still out there rockin’ with the likes of BTO. I put my guitar down in 1967. 🙁

Mike McVay: George Johns: I feel bad for those who have never worked with or competed against you! My experiences grew from our AC Wars. You made me better. Great respect for you!
Geo: Back at Ya, Mike. It was pretty easy sledding till you came on the scene.
Mike McVay: George Johns, I am honored to have received your attention. You are the GOAT.


One thought on “Radio Geo’s Media Blog (Radio Secrets I learned Along the Way) New 7/07/24

  1. George, don’t forget our “super surge” hours after 5pm. Looking forward to y I u next visit to the lake!

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